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		<title>By: Pete Wann</title>
		<link>http://www.cowtownchronicles.com/2009/01/26/linklove-im-bad-at-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1295</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Wann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, you still haven&#039;t seemed to differentiate between modernism and &quot;modernist&quot; or &quot;contemporary.&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Modernism&lt;/a&gt; has ALWAYS been about efficient use of space and minimalism in materials.

There is more embodied energy in the materials used to build a home than any savings from reduced AC usage. Also, while the eventual owners of this home MAY be able to open the double-hung windows, let&#039;s be realistic -- are they going to? While we&#039;re on that point, I&#039;m sure you&#039;re familiar with the concept of clerestory windows and using central vertical spaces as a cooling element. Cross-ventilation isn&#039;t the only way to do it, and clerestory windows are more efficient than opening the top part of small double-hung windows because they&#039;re higher and are at the highest point of the building (usually).

Also, hot air in the attic is a BAD THING. Ask any home efficiency specialist -- they&#039;ll tell you that you want to either seal that puppy off and ventilate it or insulate the hell out of it and make it conditioned space. While we&#039;re at it, let&#039;s talk about conditioned space. Peaked, black shingled roofs are completely WRONG for Texas, no matter how much they overhang. That&#039;s just too much unoccupied (wasted) space that needs to be climate controlled.

You haven&#039;t really proven your point &quot;traditional architecture is inherently more green than modern architecture&quot; by restating your thesis. Using your example of the 100K house next to Joe&#039;s foursquare, two things jump out at me -- 1. 100K house is a reasonable size at 1,150 square feet (inherently greener -- modernist houses tend to be built on a more realistic scale). 2. There are not an excess of windows (one of your common complaints about &quot;modernist&quot; buildings) to heat things up.

Regarding the windows in the 100k house, it&#039;s kind of irrelevant since it&#039;s probably sealed up tighter than a drum when those windows are closed. That combined with the huge R-value of the insulation in the house make heating/cooling costs a non-issue.

I&#039;m not sure where my &quot;modern materials make it better&quot; comment came from -- maybe I was hoping that Joe chose to use SIPs or some other highly insulated manufactured material. Ignore that bit.

As for Terry&#039;s essays -- I&#039;ve read them, and they&#039;re accurate when the building is built with ancient design and ancient materials.

I suppose my ultimate point is this -- It&#039;s the 21st Century. Do you think that if the greats you extol had had the option of using reinforced concrete, SIPs, double-glazed glass, foam/concrete forms, etc. etc. that they would have stuck with bricks and adobe? Do you think they&#039;d still be building buildings in the same shapes? Hell, even Frank Lloyd Wright&#039;s style changed over the years from very Greene &amp; Greene influenced to almost ruthlessly modern. A good architect (and good architecture) changes with the times in terms of materials used and overall aesthetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, you still haven&#8217;t seemed to differentiate between modernism and &#8220;modernist&#8221; or &#8220;contemporary.&#8221; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism rel="nofollow">Modernism</a> has ALWAYS been about efficient use of space and minimalism in materials.</p>
<p>There is more embodied energy in the materials used to build a home than any savings from reduced AC usage. Also, while the eventual owners of this home MAY be able to open the double-hung windows, let&#8217;s be realistic &#8212; are they going to? While we&#8217;re on that point, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re familiar with the concept of clerestory windows and using central vertical spaces as a cooling element. Cross-ventilation isn&#8217;t the only way to do it, and clerestory windows are more efficient than opening the top part of small double-hung windows because they&#8217;re higher and are at the highest point of the building (usually).</p>
<p>Also, hot air in the attic is a BAD THING. Ask any home efficiency specialist &#8212; they&#8217;ll tell you that you want to either seal that puppy off and ventilate it or insulate the hell out of it and make it conditioned space. While we&#8217;re at it, let&#8217;s talk about conditioned space. Peaked, black shingled roofs are completely WRONG for Texas, no matter how much they overhang. That&#8217;s just too much unoccupied (wasted) space that needs to be climate controlled.</p>
<p>You haven&#8217;t really proven your point &#8220;traditional architecture is inherently more green than modern architecture&#8221; by restating your thesis. Using your example of the 100K house next to Joe&#8217;s foursquare, two things jump out at me &#8212; 1. 100K house is a reasonable size at 1,150 square feet (inherently greener &#8212; modernist houses tend to be built on a more realistic scale). 2. There are not an excess of windows (one of your common complaints about &#8220;modernist&#8221; buildings) to heat things up.</p>
<p>Regarding the windows in the 100k house, it&#8217;s kind of irrelevant since it&#8217;s probably sealed up tighter than a drum when those windows are closed. That combined with the huge R-value of the insulation in the house make heating/cooling costs a non-issue.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where my &#8220;modern materials make it better&#8221; comment came from &#8212; maybe I was hoping that Joe chose to use SIPs or some other highly insulated manufactured material. Ignore that bit.</p>
<p>As for Terry&#8217;s essays &#8212; I&#8217;ve read them, and they&#8217;re accurate when the building is built with ancient design and ancient materials.</p>
<p>I suppose my ultimate point is this &#8212; It&#8217;s the 21st Century. Do you think that if the greats you extol had had the option of using reinforced concrete, SIPs, double-glazed glass, foam/concrete forms, etc. etc. that they would have stuck with bricks and adobe? Do you think they&#8217;d still be building buildings in the same shapes? Hell, even Frank Lloyd Wright&#8217;s style changed over the years from very Greene &#038; Greene influenced to almost ruthlessly modern. A good architect (and good architecture) changes with the times in terms of materials used and overall aesthetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://www.cowtownchronicles.com/2009/01/26/linklove-im-bad-at-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1189</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not say that your average standard home is more green than a home that&#039;s entire existence is to use every green trick in the book - that&#039;s hardly fair.

Though yes, traditional architecture is often inherently more green than modern architecture, especially before you start adding all the techno-tricks modernist architects love to use to make them more green.  If you placed the 100k House next to Joe&#039;s foursquare, Joe&#039;s foursquare will have several advantages right off the bat.  For example, the foursquare&#039;s pitched roof with generous overhangs helps to shade its interior from the sun.  That same pitched roof gives a sizable attic, giving hot air a place to go.  The foursquare&#039;s sane fenestration pattern allows a good, workable cross-ventilation scheme, and its traditional windows allow plenty of light and plenty of views but are not so big that they&#039;re needlessly allowing heat to stream in.  The 100k House&#039;s oddly-sized/placed slits of windows don&#039;t look to be able to allow the same sort of ventilation.  The foursquare&#039;s double-hung windows allow multiple sorts of opening, creating the ability to work with ceiling fans to move air of various temperatures around in a variety of ways.

(I am also a bit puzzled that you say that Joe&#039;s home proves that &quot;modern materials&quot; make trad architecture better - there&#039;s nothing overtly modern about Joe&#039;s house&#039;s materials.  Pine siding, oak flooring, wood window frames...by nature of it being in Fairmount, it&#039;s quite old-school.)

I refer you to the great Quinlan Terry&#039;s essay on green design:

http://www.qftarchitects.net/essays/design.html

The thing that&#039;s often missed in these discussions is that traditional architecture is inherently green - it has always been so, back before the dawn of the Air Conditioning Age.  If it wasn&#039;t green, its occupants would die.  The things that made traditional architectural forms livable before HVAC are, handily, also the sort of things that make them pretty darn &quot;green&quot; from the start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not say that your average standard home is more green than a home that&#8217;s entire existence is to use every green trick in the book &#8211; that&#8217;s hardly fair.</p>
<p>Though yes, traditional architecture is often inherently more green than modern architecture, especially before you start adding all the techno-tricks modernist architects love to use to make them more green.  If you placed the 100k House next to Joe&#8217;s foursquare, Joe&#8217;s foursquare will have several advantages right off the bat.  For example, the foursquare&#8217;s pitched roof with generous overhangs helps to shade its interior from the sun.  That same pitched roof gives a sizable attic, giving hot air a place to go.  The foursquare&#8217;s sane fenestration pattern allows a good, workable cross-ventilation scheme, and its traditional windows allow plenty of light and plenty of views but are not so big that they&#8217;re needlessly allowing heat to stream in.  The 100k House&#8217;s oddly-sized/placed slits of windows don&#8217;t look to be able to allow the same sort of ventilation.  The foursquare&#8217;s double-hung windows allow multiple sorts of opening, creating the ability to work with ceiling fans to move air of various temperatures around in a variety of ways.</p>
<p>(I am also a bit puzzled that you say that Joe&#8217;s home proves that &#8220;modern materials&#8221; make trad architecture better &#8211; there&#8217;s nothing overtly modern about Joe&#8217;s house&#8217;s materials.  Pine siding, oak flooring, wood window frames&#8230;by nature of it being in Fairmount, it&#8217;s quite old-school.)</p>
<p>I refer you to the great Quinlan Terry&#8217;s essay on green design:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.qftarchitects.net/essays/design.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.qftarchitects.net/essays/design.html</a></p>
<p>The thing that&#8217;s often missed in these discussions is that traditional architecture is inherently green &#8211; it has always been so, back before the dawn of the Air Conditioning Age.  If it wasn&#8217;t green, its occupants would die.  The things that made traditional architectural forms livable before HVAC are, handily, also the sort of things that make them pretty darn &#8220;green&#8221; from the start.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Wann</title>
		<link>http://www.cowtownchronicles.com/2009/01/26/linklove-im-bad-at-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1175</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Wann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. It&#039;s a great way to cut down on AC usage, but it doesn&#039;t explain how or why traditional architectural forms are &quot;inherently more green than modernist counterparts...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. It&#8217;s a great way to cut down on AC usage, but it doesn&#8217;t explain how or why traditional architectural forms are &#8220;inherently more green than modernist counterparts&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
		<link>http://www.cowtownchronicles.com/2009/01/26/linklove-im-bad-at-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1173</link>
		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know JPF&#039;s bungalow also has double-hung windows, which if you open top and bottom panes, lets warm air out the top and cooler air in. Good way to cut down on a/c usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know JPF&#8217;s bungalow also has double-hung windows, which if you open top and bottom panes, lets warm air out the top and cooler air in. Good way to cut down on a/c usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Wann</title>
		<link>http://www.cowtownchronicles.com/2009/01/26/linklove-im-bad-at-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1161</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Wann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please expound on this statement, Kevin. How is this house more green than the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.100khouse.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;100K House&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please expound on this statement, Kevin. How is this house more green than the <a href="http://www.100khouse.com" rel="nofollow">100K House</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://www.cowtownchronicles.com/2009/01/26/linklove-im-bad-at-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1158</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off the top of my head, I know it&#039;s got a tankless water heater.

Though, traditional architectural forms are often inherently more green than modernist counterparts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off the top of my head, I know it&#8217;s got a tankless water heater.</p>
<p>Though, traditional architectural forms are often inherently more green than modernist counterparts&#8230;</p>
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